Media No Longer in Date Order

Discussion in Technical Forum started by Ian Marr, May 22, 2016
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Ian Marr
Since TP allowed us to put a full date against an image (great move, by the way), I've noticed that new images added no longer get placed in chronological order. For example, I might have a birth certificate for someone dated 1847 and then, later, I add a Census entry for 1851. The later entry now appears before the earlier one. Previously, when images were displayed they would be placed in correct order - undated first, then the rest according to year.

Can we get this fixed please?

Regards,

Ian Marr

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Ian Marr
Ignore original message, please. Problem seems to have been rectified.
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Les
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Ignore original message, please. Problem seems to have been rectified.
Hi Ian, yes Alan has been on to them. took a time though as usual.

Still NO POINT entering full Date as Day and Month do not work, and Tribal Support will not answer my request for them to correct this.

I wish that they would concentrate on the parts of their Programme that is incomplete, as there are so many.

It needs a good OVERHAUL and UPDATING

All the best

Les

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Alan Scott
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Hi Ian, yes Alan has been on to them. took a time though as usual. Still NO POINT entering full Date as Day and Month do not work, and Tribal Support will not answer my request for them to correct this. more ...
I wish that they would concentrate on the parts of their Programme that is incomplete, as there are so many. It needs a good OVERHAUL and UPDATING All the best Le
Tribalpages have now got the date/month/year working. I have just added full dates to some photo's I upload some time ago and at the time could only enter the year.. All these photo's now appear in exact date order.
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Les
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Tribalpages have now got the date/month/year working. I have just added full dates to some photo's I upload some time ago and at the time could only enter the year.. All these photo's now appear in exact date order.
Hi Alan, this is incorrect. It is only working with photographs attached to a PERSON.

Try Sort by Photo Date and you will see that it does not work.

It should be all or none, as I mentioned, what is the point of an incomplete addition

Regards

Les

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Alan Scott
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Hi Alan, this is incorrect. It is only working with photographs attached to a PERSON. Try Sort by Photo Date and you will see that it does not work. It should be all or none, as I mentioned, what is the point of an incomplete addition Regards Les
Les

It is photo's for a person to which I was referring. You may well be correct as far as albums are concerned however, in my case, the photo's I referred to have also appeared in proper date order in "sort by date" in the Album I checked. A coincidence or perhaps because they are all 2016 photo's and all others are 2015 and earlier. It is only on these 2016 photo's that I have added the exact date by day/month/year.

Regardless, I will never have ALL my photo's in exact date order in sort by date in a Album as I do not have an exact day/month/year dates for the majority of photo's in my site. If I did I would not be going back through all of these (almost 4000)to edit and add the day/month/year.

How many will ever have the exact date by day taken, or by month for that matter, for ALL photo's in their site. Very few, if any. Therefore we have a situation where 100% accuracy for date by day taken will hardly ever apply.

Adding the day/month/year, from what I see in my site, has helped grouping of photo's. For example, previously I had photo's taken on same day of same people and they ended up mixed with other photo's taken same year. So far in the last lot of photo's to which I refer, these are now together as a group.

What has been done is an improvement but maybe Tribalpages can go further. If possible I would like to persons age corrected where a photo is taken prior to that persons birthday, both in same year. At present if a photo taken date is earlier in that year than a persons birthday their age is shown as a year older than what they actually were at the date the photo was taken. For TP to do that both the persons full age and the exact day the photo was taken will, of course, need to be in the tree.

Personally, with that exception, I am happy with the photo system at present. I know you want the sort by date system improved and that would be fine as Tribalpages should endevour to make their site 100% perfect.

Finally I wish to say that I don't agree with you that it should be ALL OR NONE. What TP have done is at least an improvement so no point in going backwards.

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Alan Scott
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Les It is photo's for a person to which I was referring. You may well be correct as far as albums are concerned however, in my case, the photo's I referred to have also appeared in proper date more ...
order in "sort by date" in the Album I checked. A coincidence or perhaps because they are all 2016 photo's and all others are 2015 and earlier. It is only on these 2016 photo's that I have added the exact date by day/month/year. Regardless, I will never have ALL my photo's in exact date order in sort by date in a Album as I do not have an exact day/month/year dates for the majority of photo's in my site. If I did I would not be going back through all of these (almost 4000)to edit and add the day/month/year. How many will ever have the exact date by day taken, or by month for that matter, for ALL photo's in their site. Very few, if any. Therefore we have a situation where 100% accuracy for date by day taken will hardly ever apply. Adding the day/month/year, from what I see in my site, has helped grouping of photo's. For example, previously I had photo's taken on same day of same people and they ended up mixed with other photo's taken same year. So far in the last lot of photo's to which I refer, these are now together as a group. What has been done is an improvement but maybe Tribalpages can go further. If possible I would like to persons age corrected where a photo is taken prior to that persons birthday, both in same year. At present if a photo taken date is earlier in that year than a persons birthday their age is shown as a year older than what they actually were at the date the photo was taken. For TP to do that both the persons full age and the exact day the photo was taken will, of course, need to be in the tree. Personally, with that exception, I am happy with the photo system at present. I know you want the sort by date system improved and that would be fine as Tribalpages should endevour to make their site 100% perfect. Finally I wish to say that I don't agree with you that it should be ALL OR NONE. What TP have done is at least an improvement so no point in going backwards
Tribalpages members reading forum will not be aware of the full background to this subject. Les and I have been having some private correspondence on the subject and I have also been directly in touch with Tribalpages.

Tribalpges recently gave us the ability to add day/month/year details to photo's whereas previously we could only add the year. There was a glitch in this system and photo's began to come up in order of uploading in a persons photo's. (my photo's). This glitch has been fixed.

Les is concerned that the order is still not correct for ALBUMS when viewing "sort by date". Les, correct me if I have misunderstood what you think.

Prior to having the ability to add day/month/year we were only adding just the year and therefore there was no exact date order by day/month. Les found that in "sort by date" when viewing albums this had not improved.

I was more concerned with the persons photo's in their own individual section. IE when you click on "more photo's". This in effect can show a persons life from birth to death. Les is still concerned about the order in "sort by date".

After I sent my previous message I did some experiments. I had about 30 wedding photo's in my tree dated 1992. They were downloaded some years ago with year only. Not all were downloaded at the same time. These have been in my tree intermingled with other 1992 photo's. Therefore not all in order by day/month. Understandable because we could only enter the year.

What I have just done is to add the exact date by day/month/year to these photo's. Also I was able to add the exact date or at least the month to the other 1992 photo's in the tree. I found that all came together perfectly by exact date, not only in "more photos" but also when looking in Album view "sort by date", with the exception of two photo's. Why these two defied all attempts to get them in the correct date order I do not know. This was two out of 10. All others are perfect, about 30 or more photo's.

I deleted the two photo's concerned from my tree and downloaded them again. They appear no problem in "more photo's", Album "sort by name" and "sort by upload date" but don't appear at all in "sort by photo date". Maybe they will later.

Les may have a point to raise when he views his albums but I don't see a problem myself as long as photo's don't just disappear for good. Is there another glitch in the system ?Other than that I think the new system appears to be working OK. It appears to be bringing all photo's with the same day/month/year together better.

Les may well have a different opinion to me.

In FORUM there is a section for -

TribalPages Announcements

TribalPages Announcements of changes, enhancements or glitches that have been fixed.

Tribalpages must be the only business that does not wan

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Les
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Tribalpages members reading forum will not be aware of the full background to this subject. Les and I have been having some private correspondence on the subject and I have also been directly in touch more ...
with Tribalpages. Tribalpges recently gave us the ability to add day/month/year details to photo's whereas previously we could only add the year. There was a glitch in this system and photo's began to come up in order of uploading in a persons photo's. (my photo's). This glitch has been fixed. Les is concerned that the order is still not correct for ALBUMS when viewing "sort by date". Les, correct me if I have misunderstood what you think. Prior to having the ability to add day/month/year we were only adding just the year and therefore there was no exact date order by day/month. Les found that in "sort by date" when viewing albums this had not improved. I was more concerned with the persons photo's in their own individual section. IE when you click on "more photo's". This in effect can show a persons life from birth to death. Les is still concerned about the order in "sort by date". After I sent my previous message I did some experiments. I had about 30 wedding photo's in my tree dated 1992. They were downloaded some years ago with year only. Not all were downloaded at the same time. These have been in my tree intermingled with other 1992 photo's. Therefore not all in order by day/month. Understandable because we could only enter the year. What I have just done is to add the exact date by day/month/year to these photo's. Also I was able to add the exact date or at least the month to the other 1992 photo's in the tree. I found that all came together perfectly by exact date, not only in "more photos" but also when looking in Album view "sort by date", with the exception of two photo's. Why these two defied all attempts to get them in the correct date order I do not know. This was two out of 10. All others are perfect, about 30 or more photo's. I deleted the two photo's concerned from my tree and downloaded them again. They appear no problem in "more photo's", Album "sort by name" and "sort by upload date" but don't appear at all in "sort by photo date". Maybe they will later. Les may have a point to raise when he views his albums but I don't see a problem myself as long as photo's don't just disappear for good. Is there another glitch in the system ?Other than that I think the new system appears to be working OK. It appears to be bringing all photo's with the same day/month/year together better. Les may well have a different opinion to me. In FORUM there is a section for - TribalPages Announcements TribalPages Announcements of changes, enhancements or glitches that have been fixed. Tribalpages must be the only business that does not wa
Hi Alan not quite correct.

You are just concerned with an individual, and even this does not show the Date correctly. D M Y just the Year. Only you would know the correct order and if this is correct.

As the ALBUMS are there for anyone to see ( Depending on PRIVACY settings )this is where they should be able to see the DATE order ( Depending on the Members adding the date to Photograph )

Sort by DATE is not working and even if it was the entering of D M Y is not showing , even in an individual.

Unless Tribal Support has the full D M Y showing not just the YEAR, you can see a photograph with a WINTER Scene, and assume this is so, and yet it could have been taken in MAY.

No Alan if you are asked to enter the D M Y this should show, and on all of TP pages that it is connected to.

You cannot have Bits and Pieces to suit yourself, that is still not correct, even though you are prepared to accept this.

Regards

Les

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Alan Scott
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Hi Alan not quite correct. You are just concerned with an individual, and even this does not show the Date correctly. D M Y just the Year. Only you would know the correct order and if this is correct. more ...
As the ALBUMS are there for anyone to see ( Depending on PRIVACY settings )this is where they should be able to see the DATE order ( Depending on the Members adding the date to Photograph ) Sort by DATE is not working and even if it was the entering of D M Y is not showing , even in an individual. Unless Tribal Support has the full D M Y showing not just the YEAR, you can see a photograph with a WINTER Scene, and assume this is so, and yet it could have been taken in MAY. No Alan if you are asked to enter the D M Y this should show, and on all of TP pages that it is connected to. You cannot have Bits and Pieces to suit yourself, that is still not correct, even though you are prepared to accept this. Regards Le
Les,

Always ways to get around that as you have shown us many times for other things. Put the actual date day/month/year in the notes for the photo. Click on the photo and the full date is there for viewing.

I am more concerned about the photo's that went missing in sort by date as mentioned in my previous message.

TRIBALPAGES SUPPORT PLEASE NOTE - I found the photo's in my Album AA on the very last two pages of photo's in "sort by date". Pages 85 and 86. They appear after a lot of photo's downloaded in the past without years indicated. Not only were the last two in the wrong position in "sort by date" but the previous seven downloaded were there as well. All had full dates. Therefore the last nine photo's downloaded have not been positioned properly by year even if day and month are disregarded.

You will need to fix this glitch.

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Les
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Les, Always ways to get around that as you have shown us many times for other things. Put the actual date day/month/year in the notes for the photo. Click on the photo and the full date is there for more ...
viewing. I am more concerned about the photo's that went missing in sort by date as mentioned in my previous message. TRIBALPAGES SUPPORT PLEASE NOTE - I found the photo's in my Album AA on the very last two pages of photo's in "sort by date". Pages 85 and 86. They appear after a lot of photo's downloaded in the past without years indicated. Not only were the last two in the wrong position in "sort by date" but the previous seven downloaded were there as well. All had full dates. Therefore the last nine photo's downloaded have not been positioned properly by year even if day and month are disregarded. You will need to fix this glitch
Hi Alan, I am afraid tat you are missing the point. Yes as you know I have suggested workarounds, but only until Ttribal Support takes notice to try to update and correct their program.

In this instance they have tried to do this with D M Y, but have not completed it. This is all I am asking for their programmer to complete the job, ortherwise why give us Fields to fill in that do not completely work.

As I said if you are satisfied with a part working example So be it, but if a job is to be done, do it correctly.

As you have just found out something else is incorrect.

All the best

Les

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Alan Scott
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Hi Alan, I am afraid tat you are missing the point. Yes as you know I have suggested workarounds, but only until Ttribal Support takes notice to try to update and correct their program. In this instance more ...
they have tried to do this with D M Y, but have not completed it. This is all I am asking for their programmer to complete the job, ortherwise why give us Fields to fill in that do not completely work. As I said if you are satisfied with a part working example So be it, but if a job is to be done, do it correctly. As you have just found out something else is incorrect. All the best Le
No, I have not missed your point what so ever. I pointed out that I had seen some improvemnt in photo grouping in Album "sort by date" and I was concerned that you seemed to be suggesting TP go back to just the year. All or nothing was what was stated. I do not want to see TP stop their "attempt" to bring in day/month/year to the full. Whether we ever see it working properly remains to be seen. Don't hold your breath waiting. I am not against what you want. However, it will not concern me that much if full dating does not appear in slide shows but I will also be pleased for you if it does. I am more concerned about the latest glitch I mentioned in a previous message.

This is the sort of glitch that could have carried on for some time without being detected if you had not been questioning Albums "sort by date" This is a part of my site I seldom access. Neither am I sure that other members use it a lot.

Anyway, all the best in your efforts to get what you want from Tribalpages Support. There will always be members who will give you support.

Best Wishes,

Alan

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Les
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No, I have not missed your point what so ever. I pointed out that I had seen some improvemnt in photo grouping in Album "sort by date" and I was concerned that you seemed to be suggesting TP go more ...
back to just the year. All or nothing was what was stated. I do not want to see TP stop their "attempt" to bring in day/month/year to the full. Whether we ever see it working properly remains to be seen. Don't hold your breath waiting. I am not against what you want. However, it will not concern me that much if full dating does not appear in slide shows but I will also be pleased for you if it does. I am more concerned about the latest glitch I mentioned in a previous message. This is the sort of glitch that could have carried on for some time without being detected if you had not been questioning Albums "sort by date" This is a part of my site I seldom access. Neither am I sure that other members use it a lot. Anyway, all the best in your efforts to get what you want from Tribalpages Support. There will always be members who will give you support. Best Wishes, Ala
Alan, I have not advocated that TP go back to just the YEAR, this is why I said I believe you missed the point.

I can see that all you are interested in is a Persons Photographs in order, but as TP put the Fields for D M Y in Photograph Edit ,they are there to be used.

As these are Linked to other parts of the Program, they should work.

I have not mentioned any Slide Show ,( This is a by product of the photographs) but Albums which are the Main Part of Photographs, should be in D M Y , as these are more open to Viewing by others,than any Single person selected.

What I am tryingto get over to you is that there are more parts of TP connected to Photographs, than just a selected Person.

Cannot explain more, so hope that TP will get their programmer to finish an unfinished part of their program.

Not doing any more on this Forum Entry, just have the LONG LONG wait for TP.

All the Best Alan

Les

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Alan Scott
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Alan, I have not advocated that TP go back to just the YEAR, this is why I said I believe you missed the point. I can see that all you are interested in is a Persons Photographs in order, but as TP put more ...
the Fields for D M Y in Photograph Edit ,they are there to be used. As these are Linked to other parts of the Program, they should work. I have not mentioned any Slide Show ,( This is a by product of the photographs) but Albums which are the Main Part of Photographs, should be in D M Y , as these are more open to Viewing by others,than any Single person selected. What I am tryingto get over to you is that there are more parts of TP connected to Photographs, than just a selected Person. Cannot explain more, so hope that TP will get their programmer to finish an unfinished part of their program. Not doing any more on this Forum Entry, just have the LONG LONG wait for TP. All the Best Alan Le
Les, I know full well that there are more parts to the program than selected person. I am not that ignorant.

From your replies I think you must feel that I am saying you are wrong. Not exactly, but I did wonder about "all or nothing". Day/month can be made use of in several ways apart from Albums "sort by date" and in my opinion more important ways.

We all have our own view of this matter. I have nothing further to add other than I am waiting to see if Tribalpages correct the glitch that I reported yesterday.

Regards, Alan

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