sheehan

Discussion in Genealogy Forum started by Alan Coleman, Mar 25, 2015
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Alan Coleman
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My grandfather EDWARD SHEEHAN

Birth Dec 1893 in Fulham, London, United Kingdom

Death 06/02/1958 in Banbury, Oxfordshire, England

his father was EDMUND b1862 Ireland and married to MARY b1852 and had a younger son THOMAS b1892 according to census 1901 and he married my GranMarriage to ellen taylor

1916

Age: 23

Banbury, Oxfordshire, England

And that is as far as my research has taken me to a dead end I would love to know where in Ireland they came from and more about THOMAS.

If anyone can find more I would appreciate any input.

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Robesur
You quote from the 1901 census, however the 1911 census gives some different and more informative information.

The family are living at at 4 Moyart Street, Paddington, the Head is EDWARD Sheehan, age 45, (DoB c1866), a Shoeing smith, born Lismore, County Waterford, Ireland, so that gives you a possible place to look for a baptism. Wife Mary is age 60, born Paddington, (presumably London) and the two sons are Edward 20 and Thomas 19, both born Kilburn, London. It also advises that Edward and Mary have been married 22 years and only had two children.

I cannot see a marriage in London c 1889 between an Ed--- Sheehan and a Mary but there is a possible marriage between an Edward SHEEN and a Mary Ann Brooks in Fulham March 1891, 1a, 407. Mary is considerably older than Edward/Edmund, so presumably had an earlier marriage, so if this was their marriage then her maiden name was probably not Brooks. You will need to purchase the certificate and if it is the correct marriage you may be able to ascertain her maiden name from her father's name, if it is quoted.

I cannot either see the childrens birth registration, but there is an Edward SHEEN registered in Fulham, Dec 1893, 1a, 285, this date matches his birth date as given in 1901.

R
Robesur
You quote from the 1901 census, however the 1911 census gives some different and more informative information. The family are living at at 4 Moyart Street, Paddington, the Head is EDWARD Sheehan, age more ...
45, (DoB c1866), a Shoeing smith, born Lismore, County Waterford, Ireland, so that gives you a possible place to look for a baptism. Wife Mary is age 60, born Paddington, (presumably London) and the two sons are Edward 20 and Thomas 19, both born Kilburn, London. It also advises that Edward and Mary have been married 22 years and only had two children. I cannot see a marriage in London c 1889 between an Ed--- Sheehan and a Mary but there is a possible marriage between an Edward SHEEN and a Mary Ann Brooks in Fulham March 1891, 1a, 407. Mary is considerably older than Edward/Edmund, so presumably had an earlier marriage, so if this was their marriage then her maiden name was probably not Brooks. You will need to purchase the certificate and if it is the correct marriage you may be able to ascertain her maiden name from her father's name, if it is quoted. I cannot either see the childrens birth registration, but there is an Edward SHEEN registered in Fulham, Dec 1893, 1a, 285, this date matches his birth date as given in 1901
As a little bit more information from my previous reply. Unless you already know where Edward Sheehan senior was in 1891, I think that I have found him on that census. He was a Lodger age 26, Farrier living at 85 Kingsgate Road Hampstead. His PoB is given as Cap O Quin, Ireland, I cannot see a parish of that name in Ireland but there is a township within the parish of Lismore, Waterford with the name written as Cappoquin. He is shown as single, which if correct means that he could not have been married 22 years at the time of the 1911 census as claimed.

In 1891 Edward is with a family Headed by a Clifford and Mary Valentine and their 7 children, ages 11 months to 17 years, the youngest incidentally named Edward John Valentine. Clifford Valentine married Mary Wilson, Kensington, Sep.1872, 1a, 367. I cannot find this family in a later census except some of the children who had moved on. The reason I quote this family is that Mary Valentine/Wilson was age 40, the exact same DoB that Mary Sheehan quoted in 1911. Did Mary Valentine run away with the lodger and took his surname? If so I do not think that the couple entered into a formal legal marriage.

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Alan Coleman
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As a little bit more information from my previous reply. Unless you already know where Edward Sheehan senior was in 1891, I think that I have found him on that census. He was a Lodger age 26, Farrier more ...
living at 85 Kingsgate Road Hampstead. His PoB is given as Cap O Quin, Ireland, I cannot see a parish of that name in Ireland but there is a township within the parish of Lismore, Waterford with the name written as Cappoquin. He is shown as single, which if correct means that he could not have been married 22 years at the time of the 1911 census as claimed. In 1891 Edward is with a family Headed by a Clifford and Mary Valentine and their 7 children, ages 11 months to 17 years, the youngest incidentally named Edward John Valentine. Clifford Valentine married Mary Wilson, Kensington, Sep.1872, 1a, 367. I cannot find this family in a later census except some of the children who had moved on. The reason I quote this family is that Mary Valentine/Wilson was age 40, the exact same DoB that Mary Sheehan quoted in 1911. Did Mary Valentine run away with the lodger and took his surname? If so I do not think that the couple entered into a formal legal marriage
A million thanks for your kind research and amazed to find my great grandfather ran away with his landlady,you have ended many hours of going around in circles and with your permission may I get in touch with other puzzles I have?

Alan

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Robesur
A million thanks for your kind research and amazed to find my great grandfather ran away with his landlady,you have ended many hours of going around in circles and with your permission may I get in touch with other puzzles I have? Alan
From the information we have we cannot be certain that he ran off with the landlady, but circumstances point that way. If you can find the birth certificate for either Edward or Thomas, that should provide the mother's maiden name, which will tell you for certain. I quoted a possible for Edward yesterday, although I think that I may have given an incorrect reference, it should be Edward SHEEN, Dec.1893, Fulham, 1a, 265, this date matching your information, it will cost £9.25 direct from the GRO, but if correct it will save many times its cost should your future searches be in the wrong direction. Go to:- http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/ (Beware of imitation sites which charge more).

If you have other queries I am perfectly willing to assist if possible, my expertise is mainly restricted to events in England & Wales. If you post on this site then there are others who may have a wider knowledge or access to information in other parts of the World if I cannot assist.

AC
Alan Coleman
From the information we have we cannot be certain that he ran off with the landlady, but circumstances point that way. If you can find the birth certificate for either Edward or Thomas, that should provide more ...
the mother's maiden name, which will tell you for certain. I quoted a possible for Edward yesterday, although I think that I may have given an incorrect reference, it should be Edward SHEEN, Dec.1893, Fulham, 1a, 265, this date matching your information, it will cost £9.25 direct from the GRO, but if correct it will save many times its cost should your future searches be in the wrong direction. Go to:- http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/ (Beware of imitation sites which charge more). If you have other queries I am perfectly willing to assist if possible, my expertise is mainly restricted to events in England & Wales. If you post on this site then there are others who may have a wider knowledge or access to information in other parts of the World if I cannot assist
Thank you again valueable input I would never havecame up with in a month of Sundays, I will let you know result from birth certificate.

Alan

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Alan Coleman
Thank you again valueable input I would never havecame up with in a month of Sundays, I will let you know result from birth certificate. Alan
i found this info I presume Edmun/Edward had left for England do you agree?Census Years1901WaterfordCappoquinShanballyResidents of a house

Residents of a house 3 in Shanbally (Cappoquin, Waterford)

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Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion

Sheehan Thomas 53 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic

Sheehan Johanna 46 Female Wife Roman Catholic

Sheehan Thomas 20 Male Son Roman Catholic

Sheehan Nicholas 17 Male Son Roman Catholic

Sheehan James 15 Male Son Roman Catholic

Sheehan Patrick 12 Male Son Roman Catholic

Sheehan Mary 9 Female Daughter Roman Catholic

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R
Robesur
i found this info I presume Edmun/Edward had left for England do you agree?Census Years1901WaterfordCappoquinShanballyResidents of a house Residents of a house 3 in Shanbally (Cappoquin, Waterford) Show more ...
all information Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion Sheehan Thomas 53 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic Sheehan Johanna 46 Female Wife Roman Catholic Sheehan Thomas 20 Male Son Roman Catholic Sheehan Nicholas 17 Male Son Roman Catholic Sheehan James 15 Male Son Roman Catholic Sheehan Patrick 12 Male Son Roman Catholic Sheehan Mary 9 Female Daughter Roman Catholic Report any error in transcriptio
The family quoted is probably relatives of Edward/Edmund, but how close, it is difficult to judge. Families tended to stay in the same area so there are possibly parents, uncles, nephews, cousins, siblings etc. all living locally. Also families tend to use the same first name, so there could be another Edward Sheehan in the same locality of a similar age, many family researchers just seize upon someone with a similar name and assume it is the person that they are looking for. Prior to central registration it can be very difficult to be certain that you have the correct family and I am sure that many family trees have incorrect people, including my own.

Thomas the head of the family quoted is 52, Edward was 35 at the same time 1901, so Thomas is not his father. He could be an elder brother of an extended family with Edward as a much younger member. More probably though Thomas is a cousin the son of an elder brother of Edward's father. There is no way to tell other than to find RC baptisms in that area giving parents names.