Same sex couples

Discussion in Feature Requests Forum started by James Allan, Oct 10, 2015
JA
James Allan
can we have the option of a same sex marriage or partner please ?

I've read all the other threads and prejudiced views against gay people.. it is not whether we agree or not, or whether your god approves.. but the fact that we have gay people in society and in our families and can't change that fact..

I have a murderer in my family .. I certainly don't approve of killing people but he still has to be included.. there are other distasteful family members who I'd rather not include.. but family history is just that.. history.. to be true to our research we can't judge or select who is included..

Tribal Pages.. this is the 21st century.. lets see you give the option of adding a partner of the same sex..

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Edward Brooke
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Hello, James. In my experience partners in a same sex union have always adopted opposing genders. I see no reason why the partner in such a union, who adopts an orientation alien to their birth certificate, should not be included in your site as that adopted gender. The genealogists notes, or story page, will clarify the situation for the future.

Prejudice is a conclusion being reached without full knowledge or forethought. Regarding this subject I am guilty of neither of those definitions and, after considerable thought, same sex marriage is still alien to my upbringing and religious beliefs. However, this law, in UK, was a vote rigging manoeuvre and as such we must accept it.

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James Allan
Hello, James. In my experience partners in a same sex union have always adopted opposing genders. I see no reason why the partner in such a union, who adopts an orientation alien to their birth more ...
certificate, should not be included in your site as that adopted gender. The genealogists notes, or story page, will clarify the situation for the future. Prejudice is a conclusion being reached without full knowledge or forethought. Regarding this subject I am guilty of neither of those definitions and, after considerable thought, same sex marriage is still alien to my upbringing and religious beliefs. However, this law, in UK, was a vote rigging manoeuvre and as such we must accept it
Hi Edward

Thanks for replying..

My feature request is quite simple..

When adding a spouse, the option of selecting male or female. What is so hard about that.. how can that be offensive. ?

I have this option in 'Family Historian' ..

Family History has to be recorded accurately..without prejudice.. using a workaround is a cop out..

Not interested in peoples beliefs, religion.. or entering into a debate about the morals of same sex marriages... or the voting system in the UK..

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Edward Brooke
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Hi Edward Thanks for replying.. My feature request is quite simple.. When adding a spouse, the option of selecting male or female. What is so hard about that.. how can that be offensive. ? I have more ...
this option in 'Family Historian' .. Family History has to be recorded accurately..without prejudice.. using a workaround is a cop out.. Not interested in peoples beliefs, religion.. or entering into a debate about the morals of same sex marriages... or the voting system in the UK.
Thank you for your courteous reply.

Not interested in much, are you?

I was not differing with your request - I don't care whether you get your wish, or not. I was merely pointing out that the facility is already there. I will go quietly away now with the thought that a consideration on same sex unions is exactly what you got involved in when you asked TP to change their programme. Ted

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Les
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Hi James, this has been brought up before and like Edward

same sex marriage is still alien to my upbringing and religious beliefs.

By you mentioning that you have a Murderer in your family, are you also requesting that , there should be the option to add these under their own heading also .

No use the Male and Female Gender and put your same sex couple under those.

Most of the MALE same sex marriages or partners call them selves Husband and Wife, and as it is only TEXT use this, as I have previously mentioned.

Mention in NOTES or in the persons Tree Use EVENTS and select CUSTOM and add what you wish to explain .

SEE SCREEN SHOT

Les

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James Allan
Hi James, this has been brought up before and like Edward same sex marriage is still alien to my upbringing and religious beliefs. By you mentioning that you have a Murderer in your family, are you also more ...
requesting that , there should be the option to add these under their own heading also . No use the Male and Female Gender and put your same sex couple under those. Most of the MALE same sex marriages or partners call them selves Husband and Wife, and as it is only TEXT use this, as I have previously mentioned. Mention in NOTES or in the persons Tree Use EVENTS and select CUSTOM and add what you wish to explain . SEE SCREEN SHOT Le
Hi Les

thanks for replying...

see above reply..

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Les
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Hi Les thanks for replying... see above reply..
Hi James, this says it all in your statement

" Not interested in peoples beliefs, religion "

This is the typical attitude of Gays and Lesbians, as these are the people voting for Gay Marriages, and yet these sincere Gay Marriages are in the minority. Speaks for itself doesnt it.

As you are commenting on your Tree, what difference does a work around make. It will show what you want on just TWO particular people, unless GAYS are prevelant in your tree.

How many people will see this particular part of your tree to warrent altering a program?,

Regards

Les

JA
James Allan
Hi James, this says it all in your statement " Not interested in peoples beliefs, religion " This is the typical attitude of Gays and Lesbians, as these are the people voting for Gay Marriages, more ...
and yet these sincere Gay Marriages are in the minority. Speaks for itself doesnt it. As you are commenting on your Tree, what difference does a work around make. It will show what you want on just TWO particular people, unless GAYS are prevelant in your tree. How many people will see this particular part of your tree to warrent altering a program?, Regards Le
Tribal pages is a software tool for recording family history .. end of story.

I and other TP members have requested a 'feature' that many other family history software already has..

Am still waiting on a reply from the TP admin..

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Alan Scott
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I am not answering your message to get into a debate about the rights or wrongs of same sex marriage. I am answering to support Ted when he says the option is there already to add a same sex partner.

James, in edit mode when you wish to add a partner for a same sex marriage, you click on edit and up comes "add spouse/partner". No mention of sex. When the partner is added he/she is shown as "married". Again no mention of sex.

You then have the option of adding notes, also "events' and/or your own "custom" events.

It is all there. What more do you want. I think Tribalpages has it set up exceptionally well for you to record same sex marriages. Or, do you think T/P should add something so we can clearly "advertise" the sex of a person. That may start some interesting debate.

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James Allan
I am not answering your message to get into a debate about the rights or wrongs of same sex marriage. I am answering to support Ted when he says the option is there already to add a same sex partner. more ...
James, in edit mode when you wish to add a partner for a same sex marriage, you click on edit and up comes "add spouse/partner". No mention of sex. When the partner is added he/she is shown as "married". Again no mention of sex. You then have the option of adding notes, also "events' and/or your own "custom" events. It is all there. What more do you want. I think Tribalpages has it set up exceptionally well for you to record same sex marriages. Or, do you think T/P should add something so we can clearly "advertise" the sex of a person. That may start some interesting debate
Alan.

Pink or Blue box header denotes sex... or am I missing something.. ?

If you add a partner to a male it automatically assumes female .. so they have a pink box .. and visa versa..

why would 'advertising the sex of a person start some interesting debate' ... it is already done using PINK and BLUE Box headers..that is indeed a puzzling remark..

do you think two blue or two pink boxes would see TP servers go up in flames.. ?

Thanks for the replies.. I will email TP admin. direct or ask on the FB page.. .. no more to add.

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Alan Scott
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Alan. Pink or Blue box header denotes sex... or am I missing something.. ? If you add a partner to a male it automatically assumes female .. so they have a pink box .. and visa versa.. why would more ...
'advertising the sex of a person start some interesting debate' ... it is already done using PINK and BLUE Box headers..that is indeed a puzzling remark.. do you think two blue or two pink boxes would see TP servers go up in flames.. ? Thanks for the replies.. I will email TP admin. direct or ask on the FB page.. .. no more to add
In my site I have never needed to try partnering two persons of the same sex and while it will not greatly concern me if I need to do that, I will, never the less, be happy if it stays that way in my lifetime. However what I thought might be possible was to add two new persons of the same sex to a tree and then select one of the two as the spouse by clicking on the link "If this person already exists on this site click here".

However on giving this a try. experimentally, I found the Tribalpages system would not allow this to happen. It would only accept the partnership if one of the two was originally entered as the opposite sex.

Maybe this is where T/P need to look at their program. I personally, don't care one way or the other but I suppose a family history site like Tribalpages should look at catering for same sex marriages. Personally I will be satisfied to use processes that are there at present but that is only my view.

JA
James Allan
In my site I have never needed to try partnering two persons of the same sex and while it will not greatly concern me if I need to do that, I will, never the less, be happy if it stays that way in my more ...
lifetime. However what I thought might be possible was to add two new persons of the same sex to a tree and then select one of the two as the spouse by clicking on the link "If this person already exists on this site click here". However on giving this a try. experimentally, I found the Tribalpages system would not allow this to happen. It would only accept the partnership if one of the two was originally entered as the opposite sex. Maybe this is where T/P need to look at their program. I personally, don't care one way or the other but I suppose a family history site like Tribalpages should look at catering for same sex marriages. Personally I will be satisfied to use processes that are there at present but that is only my view
"Tribalpages should look at catering for same sex marriages."

that's all I asked..

Whether we agree/disagree, like or dislike, our personal beliefs and feelings should never influence our recording accurately our family history..

sometimes unpleasant or distasteful.. but when we open the closet door we must be willing and able to accept whatever skeletons fall out.. and record the information acuretly without prejudice.. If not then we should give up..

Same sex marriage is now legal in almost every western nation.. including the US, Scotland, England Eire, and Wales ..

http://qz.com/438526/countries-where-gay-marriage-is-legal-nationwide/

Thanks for your input

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Les
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Alan. Pink or Blue box header denotes sex... or am I missing something.. ? If you add a partner to a male it automatically assumes female .. so they have a pink box .. and visa versa.. why would more ...
'advertising the sex of a person start some interesting debate' ... it is already done using PINK and BLUE Box headers..that is indeed a puzzling remark.. do you think two blue or two pink boxes would see TP servers go up in flames.. ? Thanks for the replies.. I will email TP admin. direct or ask on the FB page.. .. no more to add
Hi James , I have suggested ways to input a Gay Couples, Marriage or partnership.

This would then keep records up to date, until such times the program allows for this. This does not seem to satisfy some as they are so pedantic in their views.

Pink is and always has been associated with GAYS , and in these Marriages and Partnerships, there is one who is definitely more female

In the 1970s, gay liberation groups resurrected the pink triangle as a popular symbol for the gay rights movement. Not only is the symbol easily recognized, Today, for many the pink triangle represents pride,As the pink triangle is historically a male symbol.

The black triangle has similarly been reclaimed by lesbians and feminists as a symbol of pride and solidarity.

Why not keep your site up to date with the workaround, that I have suggested, and all the others that I have in the past.

Regards

Les